Even Michael Jordan had some bad games.

That’s what Barack Obama reminds himself while going through the ups and downs of being president.

Obama, an ardent Bulls fan, discussed Jordan and more in a recent interview with Bill Simmons and GQ:

But a thing that you’re reminded of, watching those old Bulls games, is Jordan had some stinker games in the playoffs. But he would get that out of his mind, and then the next moment comes and he’s right there. He could have a terrible game for the first three quarters and then suddenly go crazy the fourth. Or he might miss a free throw, and then the next play is he’s stealing the ball and hitting the game-winning shot. Part of what I try to do—not at the level that Jordan did on the basketball court, but part of what you aspire to as president or any of these positions of leadership—is to try to figure out how to be in the moment, make the best decision you can, know that you’re going to get a bunch of them right, but a bunch of times you’re also not going to get it exactly the way you want it.

In the interview, Obama also fantasizes about what it would be like to own an NBA team, and discusses why he still believes in Derrick Rose.

At one point, Obama – a Bears fan – even casually compared himself to Packers quarterback Aaron Rodgers, who he said also must keep his focus downfield despite all the chaos happening in front of him.

Click here to read the entire interview.